Estonia Zen Different?

mmthomas · 01-05-2006, 15:30

The website www.zen.ee does not seem to have the free roaming in baltics and finland discussed in this site description of the Elisa Zen product.

Has there been a change? Or is this free roaming an undocumented feature?

Effendi · 01-05-2006, 18:12

I used Zen in 2004 (it was Radiolinja at that time) in Estonia and Finland with "free roaming" in Finland, so I can assure that it worked.
I don't understand Estonian and just a little bit of Russian, but looking at their site now it seems it doesn't exist anymore... it sends you to Elisa's roaming page, and for Finland it should be THIS ONE.

Anyway let's wait for our Russian expert Asick to confirm!

Asick · 03-05-2006, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Effendi

Anyway let's wait for our Russian expert Asick to confirm!

What shoud I confirm? There's nothing free but the connection fee at the link that you wrote.

Przemolog · 03-05-2006, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Asick

What shoud I confirm? There's nothing free but the connection fee at the link that you wrote.

By "connection fee" you mean this, per minute rate (in Estonian crowns):
Прием звонка 5,55 5,55
?

No hope for free incoming calls in Finland with this SIM anyway

Asick · 03-05-2006, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Przemolog

By "connection fee" you mean this, per minute rate (in Estonian crowns):
Прием звонка 5,55 5,55
?

No. Connection fee means connection fee. Плата за соединение, which is 100% the same in Russian. Прием звонка, as I get it, it's their tariff for incoming calls. Their terms are not perfectly correct and are misleading, but this is how I get it as a Russian.

Effendi · 03-05-2006, 11:37

Yes, that page looks clear, but if you have time to take a look at ZEN site, maybe we can just confirm it or not. I'm sure in 2004 it was free, but it's possible that they changed

Asick · 03-05-2006, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Effendi

Yes, that page looks clear, but if you have time to take a look at ZEN site, maybe we can just confirm it or not. I'm sure in 2004 it was free, but it's possible that they changed

I've found nothing there. I mean nothing about the free roaming service anywhere.

Przemolog · 03-05-2006, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Asick

No. Connection fee means connection fee. Плата за соединение, which is 100% the same in Russian. Прием звонка, as I get it, it's their tariff for incoming calls. Their terms are not perfectly correct and are misleading, but this is how I get it as a Russian.

oster_oops: I don't know why I didn't notice "Плата за соединение"

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And as to misleading terms, "Прием звонка" sounds to me as a "single action" for which a "single fee" (i.e. per call, not per minute) should be assigned :unsure:

Asick · 04-05-2006, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Przemolog

And as to misleading terms, "Прием звонка" sounds to me as a "single action" for which a "single fee" (i.e. per call, not per minute) should be assigned :unsure:

Yes, this is quite misleading. However, look, they count it in crowns/min, so it can't be just a 'single action'.

Прием звонка can be considered as a continuous action too, it's like прием пищи (пища means food), which means the whole eating process since the start till the end.

Anyway, this term in the modern 'cellular Russian' is VERY strange. This is always входящие звонки (incoming calls) and плата за входящие звонки, and nothing more.

I guess it was may be an Estonian writer who had Russian as second language or just a sort of local Estonian dialect in Russian.

mmthomas · 09-08-2006, 20:27

I purchased ZEN in July 2006. I did not activate international roaming, which costs as much as the initial purchase price of the SIM.

I could make calls in Estonia and Latvia to each other. I could not call lithuania from latvia. No calls in finland.

I could not use it in other countries for SMS. Specificaly Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Not working in USA.

The start package came with a brochure including english instructions; even if english is not on the website.

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mmthomas (Offline) Junior Member Amateur Member Posts: 18 Join Date: 19 Apr 2006 Country:	01-05-2006, 15:30 The website www.zen.ee does not seem to have the free roaming in baltics and finland discussed in this site description of the Elisa Zen product. Has there been a change? Or is this free roaming an undocumented feature?

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Effendi (Offline) The great Dictator! Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,487 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Trieste/Trst Country:	01-05-2006, 18:12 I used Zen in 2004 (it was Radiolinja at that time) in Estonia and Finland with "free roaming" in Finland, so I can assure that it worked. I don't understand Estonian and just a little bit of Russian, but looking at their site now it seems it doesn't exist anymore... it sends you to Elisa's roaming page, and for Finland it should be THIS ONE. Anyway let's wait for our Russian expert Asick to confirm! Working Prepaids: IT: Wind, Vodafone IT, UNO Mobile; SM: Prima; UK: 3, Virgin; INT: TravelSIM, Truphone. Deceased Prepaids: CZ: Oskar, Eurotel; SK: Orange; DE: E-Plus, Aldi, Simyo; GE: Geocell; AM: Armentel; PL: Heyah, Plus; LT: Tele2; LV: Amigo; EE: Elisa; UA: Kyivstar; NZ: Vodafone; INT: UM, UM+, ICQSim. GSM/3G Phones: Nokia Lumia 630 dual sim

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Effendi (Offline) The great Dictator! Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,487 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Trieste/Trst Country:	03-05-2006, 11:37 Yes, that page looks clear, but if you have time to take a look at ZEN site, maybe we can just confirm it or not. I'm sure in 2004 it was free, but it's possible that they changed Working Prepaids: IT: Wind, Vodafone IT, UNO Mobile; SM: Prima; UK: 3, Virgin; INT: TravelSIM, Truphone. Deceased Prepaids: CZ: Oskar, Eurotel; SK: Orange; DE: E-Plus, Aldi, Simyo; GE: Geocell; AM: Armentel; PL: Heyah, Plus; LT: Tele2; LV: Amigo; EE: Elisa; UA: Kyivstar; NZ: Vodafone; INT: UM, UM+, ICQSim. GSM/3G Phones: Nokia Lumia 630 dual sim

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mmthomas (Offline) Junior Member Amateur Member Posts: 18 Join Date: 19 Apr 2006 Country:	09-08-2006, 20:27 I purchased ZEN in July 2006. I did not activate international roaming, which costs as much as the initial purchase price of the SIM. I could make calls in Estonia and Latvia to each other. I could not call lithuania from latvia. No calls in finland. I could not use it in other countries for SMS. Specificaly Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Not working in USA. The start package came with a brochure including english instructions; even if english is not on the website.