Dual Number GeoSIM Now Available - Page 2

dg7feq · 31-07-2009, 07:44

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Originally Posted by MATHA531

The $9 US sim card on ebay has a dual number, lists all the same countries for free receiving of calls as the $20 card. As I pointed out in another thread, it omitted the fact there is a 19¢ charge to receive calls in Europe which come in on the US number but I just don't see any difference between that card and the other "foreign" ekit card.

Go to ebay USA, do a search for ekit sim card and see what I mean. But again, there might be something I'm missing.

Depends on the primary point of usage. On the US-EKIT card the rates within the US are cheaper, on the EU-EKIT-Card the rates within EU countries are cheaper...

Chris

andy · 31-07-2009, 09:17

Why do people keep changing the subject to discuss different products on the wrong threads? Would you visit a friend's house and then talk to someone else who came, but totally ignore the hosts? Shall I spilt the thread and move some posts?

Bossman · 31-07-2009, 11:26

Just to point out thet Geosim has updated their website to reflect thast it's $0.25.

If you have friends, customers or clients in the US, they can conveniently call your US number on the SIM cheaply. If someone calls your US number, you will be charged a £0.15 ($0.25) per minute surcharge in addition to any existing incoming call charge on our rate sheet. For example, if you are in Europe you will be charged £0.15 ($0.25) per minute to receive the call as there is no incoming call charge in most European countries. However, if they call on your UK number, you still receive for free.

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Originally Posted by Bossman

Geosim, which one is it $0.25 or $0.35. See excerpt below:

If you have friends, customers or clients in the US, they can conveniently call your US number on the SIM cheaply. If someone calls your US number, you will be charged $0.35 per minute in addition to any existing incoming call charge on our rate sheet. For example, if you are in Europe you will be charged $0.35 per minute to receive the call as there is no incoming call charge in Europe on our standard rate sheet. However, if they call on your UK number, you still receive for free.

MrEd · 31-07-2009, 11:39

Some things worth noting and checking when comparing GeoSIM and eKit. As with all such products, all have their particular merits and may be more suited to some customers and not others.

From our review:

There is a $0.35 connection fee on all inbound and outbound calls (even when called on the +44 number). Although I'm not sure if that this applies in free inbound countries.

Calls to mobiles from EU countries such as Bulgaria are as high as $1.19 per minute plus $0.35 connection charge.

There is a $0.40 USD per minute surcharge when you make a call to a cell phone (does not apply when calling to a US or Canadian cell phone). This means that if you are in Bulgaria calling a UK mobile the cost would be: $1.19 per minute plus surcharge of $0.40 per minute plus connection charge of $0.35.

Sending SMS from EU countries is $0.69.

Cost of $0.10 to receive SMS on US number.

I stand to be correct if I have mis interpreted, but leave it to potential customers to review the respective websites accordingly and to choose the SIM that is most suited to their needs.

bbob · 31-07-2009, 12:31

From what I can read the connection charge does not apply to free incoming countries, this is marked clearly on the website and rate list . Just follow the *

What is important and what has changed recently is the new fair use policy that you seen to have introduced (like some others). This is only monetioned in the small print and the text itself is very unclear.

But maybe you can give us some more information on how fair use is seen. Is there a ratio, time frame, do you give warning or just disconnect.

MATHA531 · 31-07-2009, 13:00

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Originally Posted by andy

Why do people keep changing the subject to discuss different products on the wrong threads? Would you visit a friend's house and then talk to someone else who came, but totally ignore the hosts? Shall I spilt the thread and move some posts?

Andy...in all due respect to you (I know you have a tough job here sometimes) I don't think any comparison between geosim and various similar cards from other companies is really off topic...perhaps comparing two different ekit cards might be so but the comparison is still being done in comparison to the geosim card. I apologize if you feel the discussion of ekit, which is a very similar product to geosim even if comparing two ekit cards is really off topic.

MATHA531 · 31-07-2009, 13:02

Thank you Mr. Ed....I still think the problem many might have with your card in your comparison is

1. The annual fee (there is none on ekit)

2. The fiar usage policy (there doesn't seem to be one on ekit)

As you say, it is helpful for potential customers to see both sides of the issue.

Good luck with your sim card.

Stu · 31-07-2009, 13:43

Canada is also a sticking spot with me. eKit charges the same rates as the US. GeoSIM apparently doesn't handle Canada while running the US persona of the SIM.

JohnCK · 31-07-2009, 13:49

Hi,

The reason that eKit do not have an annual renewal fee is that they more than recover these charges by having call set up fees on both inbound and outbound. SIM4Travel also charge a daily connection fee of 39p for this purpose. Please correct me if i am wrong but most honest users would not be in favour of this and would rather pay a very small annual fee to keep their SIM active.

People bang on about a fair usage policy. Do you not think that major MNOs like Vodafone and Orange have these in place? Subsidising free calls in certain countries costs money down all chains and i would suggest that the customers who never make outbound calls and only receive free abuse the system and are not wanted by any Global SIM Distributors, eKit included. Please rest assured that all Distributors monitor their users and all would jump from a high height on serious abuse of free inbound.

Thanks

John

bbob · 31-07-2009, 15:19

A USD 35c connection fee applies to each call made (from all Zones) or received (outside Zone 1).

So there is no setup cost when receiving a call in zone1. zone 1 covers the raoming free countries including the usa.

Sure you have to look at the whole pricutre, the amount of call you make, receive and this will tell what is the best for you in the end.

Untill now fair use was not an issue but all of a sudden it was there. It's now hidden in terms and yes fair use is a problem. As you don't know what limits or rules are for fair use they can disconnect you whenever they want.
I don't care if big companies of whoever have it in their terms, it sucks. Just be honest and open and specify the limit, ratio. Tell your customers if you warn them and give them x days before they are shutdown.

So yes you can bang on fairuse because it's simply a tool to shut you down, take your money, (no refund under fair use) and they are the judge and you don't know the rules.

If you wan't to deal with those companies it's up to you. I prefer not to.

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	31-07-2009, 09:17 Why do people keep changing the subject to discuss different products on the wrong threads? Would you visit a friend's house and then talk to someone else who came, but totally ignore the hosts? Shall I spilt the thread and move some posts? Last edited by andy; 31-07-2009 at 10:56..

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MrEd (Offline) DEALER Advanced Member Posts: 55 Join Date: 27 Nov 2005 Country:	31-07-2009, 11:39 Some things worth noting and checking when comparing GeoSIM and eKit. As with all such products, all have their particular merits and may be more suited to some customers and not others. From our review: There is a $0.35 connection fee on all inbound and outbound calls (even when called on the +44 number). Although I'm not sure if that this applies in free inbound countries. Calls to mobiles from EU countries such as Bulgaria are as high as $1.19 per minute plus $0.35 connection charge. There is a $0.40 USD per minute surcharge when you make a call to a cell phone (does not apply when calling to a US or Canadian cell phone). This means that if you are in Bulgaria calling a UK mobile the cost would be: $1.19 per minute plus surcharge of $0.40 per minute plus connection charge of $0.35. Sending SMS from EU countries is $0.69. Cost of $0.10 to receive SMS on US number. I stand to be correct if I have mis interpreted, but leave it to potential customers to review the respective websites accordingly and to choose the SIM that is most suited to their needs. Ed GeoSIM www.globalsimcard.co.uk

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	31-07-2009, 12:31 From what I can read the connection charge does not apply to free incoming countries, this is marked clearly on the website and rate list . Just follow the * What is important and what has changed recently is the new fair use policy that you seen to have introduced (like some others). This is only monetioned in the small print and the text itself is very unclear. But maybe you can give us some more information on how fair use is seen. Is there a ratio, time frame, do you give warning or just disconnect.

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	31-07-2009, 13:02 Thank you Mr. Ed....I still think the problem many might have with your card in your comparison is 1. The annual fee (there is none on ekit) 2. The fiar usage policy (there doesn't seem to be one on ekit) As you say, it is helpful for potential customers to see both sides of the issue. Good luck with your sim card.

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	31-07-2009, 13:43 Canada is also a sticking spot with me. eKit charges the same rates as the US. GeoSIM apparently doesn't handle Canada while running the US persona of the SIM.

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JohnCK (Offline) Junior Member Newbie Posts: 8 Join Date: 13 May 2009 Country:	31-07-2009, 13:49 Hi, The reason that eKit do not have an annual renewal fee is that they more than recover these charges by having call set up fees on both inbound and outbound. SIM4Travel also charge a daily connection fee of 39p for this purpose. Please correct me if i am wrong but most honest users would not be in favour of this and would rather pay a very small annual fee to keep their SIM active. People bang on about a fair usage policy. Do you not think that major MNOs like Vodafone and Orange have these in place? Subsidising free calls in certain countries costs money down all chains and i would suggest that the customers who never make outbound calls and only receive free abuse the system and are not wanted by any Global SIM Distributors, eKit included. Please rest assured that all Distributors monitor their users and all would jump from a high height on serious abuse of free inbound. Thanks John

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bbob (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 499 Join Date: 20 Feb 2007 Country:	31-07-2009, 15:19 A USD 35c connection fee applies to each call made (from all Zones) or received (outside Zone 1). So there is no setup cost when receiving a call in zone1. zone 1 covers the raoming free countries including the usa. Sure you have to look at the whole pricutre, the amount of call you make, receive and this will tell what is the best for you in the end. Untill now fair use was not an issue but all of a sudden it was there. It's now hidden in terms and yes fair use is a problem. As you don't know what limits or rules are for fair use they can disconnect you whenever they want. I don't care if big companies of whoever have it in their terms, it sucks. Just be honest and open and specify the limit, ratio. Tell your customers if you warn them and give them x days before they are shutdown. So yes you can bang on fairuse because it's simply a tool to shut you down, take your money, (no refund under fair use) and they are the judge and you don't know the rules. If you wan't to deal with those companies it's up to you. I prefer not to.