Calling Riiing (+423.663) [was: GT-sim]

[Przemolog]

Originally Posted by AndreA

I understood... but I think that it's a german problem :construction:

Also in arabic TVs I saw a lot of times RSM numbers (+37 and a syrian friend told me that for them calling San Marino is very expensive. But this is strange too, for our (as for a Swiss with FL) it's a simple national call not a "fake" premium number.

I remember that in 1990's before "local" premium rate lines appeared in Poland, there were many party lines, lotteries and so on based in foreign locations in the "rest of of the world" zone. These lines were AFAIR in Aruba, Cape Verde, Equatorial Guinea, Israel and maybe somewhere else. From the "billing" point of view they were regular foreign numbers, but charged at very high rates (2.5-3 US$ excl. VAT, depending on the exchange rate those days). The significant part of those fees was transferred by the monopolist Polish Telecom to destination countries, making the premium rate profits possible. Because of multiple complaints, temporarily some of these destinations were even disconnected from direct dialing by 00CountryCode, and they could be reached only via the human operator.

And returning to calls to FL, here is a price list of a Polish PC2Phone(!) provider (1 EUR = 3.80 PLN, rates incl. 22 % VAT)

Liechtenstein (SVC) 9.67 PLN
Liechtenstein-mobile (SVC) 4.70 PLN
Liechtenstein-mobile 2.01 PLN
Liechtenstein 0.23 PLN

What can SVC stand for (not explained on the website)??? But it shows that some +423 (no necessarily 663) international premium rate numbers may exist....

[0700700]

Originally Posted by andy

this isn't really the forum to discuss a wide range of cheap call providers in UK, especially after you cast doubts on other remarks I've made, including about O2 payg tariffs

ANDY my friend, i value your contribution to this forum

and i do not remember casting any doubts on anything you have
said, apart from the 02 tarriff. I simply asked you to call 2211 and
listen to their new terms and conditions to see that treats are NO
longer available for new customers....

Otherwise i ask you to show me one post where i have slandered your
opinion?

thanks for the info

[snaimon]

Originally Posted by Przemolog

What can SVC stand for (not explained on the website)??? But it shows that some +423 (no necessarily 663) international premium rate numbers may exist....

Service?

Not sure what that means either.

On the tel3advantage site they show 4 different Liechtenstein rates -- based on local access as follows:

Liechtenstein (presumably landline) 5 cents
Liechtenstein Freephone 25.0 cents
Liechtenstein Mobile 42.8 cents
Liechtenstein Pager 42.8 cents

Onesuite shows the following for local access:

Liechtenstein 7 cents
Liechtenstein Mobile 6 25 cents (assume the 6 is the start of the # after 423)
Liechtenstein Mobile 7 25 cents (assume the 7 is the start of the # after 423)

Most other offers stick to landline and cell only.

Stan

[pschi]

Originally Posted by 0700700

thanks for all these replies but can you tell me what this termination rate means in practice, is this what the operators pay one another ?????



still waiting for andys feedback thou :meh:

Thats the money what the operator terminating the call get for this service. In this case United Mobile is terminating the call in its mobile network, and they ask about 0,29 ? to all other operator routing a call to them.
So on the outgoing side, all Telecom Operator have to calculate their prices on these fees:
- Terminating fee (low for fixed networks, high rates for mobile networks)
- Transit fees (for any third-party networks the call goes through)
- Own costs (own infrastructure, personel, ...)
- A little benefit
- ?

[TheMadBrewer]

Originally Posted by Klaus Wegener

As far as I darkly remember, the selling-rates for calls to +423 663 is little bit less than 29 Eurocent. This means, if an operator offers "+423 663" for less than 29 Cent, then he can not cover the charges, he has to pay additionally money, which he does not get back from the caller.

I certainly don't have the knowledge or expertise to contradict any of this (and I am not doing so). But I gotta believe there is something else in the mix. CallBackWorld offers $.14/min to Lichtenstein. But they are familiar whith Riiing (having put in delays and such for the Riiing callback) and know many of their customers use it. I find it hard to believe they would knowingly lose that much money on each minute. Unless, I guess, they are just passing along rates from another provider. In that case, forget I said anything

[AndreA]

Budget Telecom has a great price for Liechtenstein mobiles... 10 ct./minute!

Only for the customers of 4 countries, but it's a really good solution

- for Italy -> I Minuti ( http://www.iminuti.com/Cob/iminuti/EMinute...?partner=GS1628 )

- for France -> Les Minutes ( http://www.lesminutes.com/Cob/lesminutes/E...er=budgetcorpfr )

- for Belgium -> LesMinutes.be ) http://www.lesminutes.be/Cob/deminuten_bef...=deminuten_befr )

- for Spain -> Los Minutos ( http://www.losminutos.com/Cob/losminutos/E...er=budgetcorpes ) [0,0945 ct/min!]

They have a service for the other countries but the price is higher, about 33.ct/min

[snidely]

I used Kall8 a few times this past year to call a Riiing SIM. Cost was 12? as I recall altho the posted price was supposed to be about 20?.
Went in to cancel one of my Kall8 numbers and decided to check their pricing. While many carriers have been in the 40 to 60 cent price range, this 92 cent pricing is quite a shock. I know others here use Kall8, so I thought I would bring it to their attention.

...mike

[MATHA531]

I noticed that about a month ot two ago and so I cancelled it...I think I may have posted something about that in answer to somebody else's thread but I forget where.

[DRNewcomb]

When we first started discussing Riiing, I mentioned that the crazy range of pricing for calls to FL mobiles was probably an indication that many carriers simply didn't have up-to-date pricing and that things were going to have to sort themselves out sooner or later. I suspect that the other carriers in the 10c-15c range will follow suit pretty soon. But I hope not.

[snaimon]

I have a new calling card from cloncom.com -- called cloncom connect. It seems to be tied to the NOBEL system. SUPPOSEDLY the rate to Liechtenstein Mobiles is 10.1 US cents per minute. As a side feature, it allows calling from selected foreign countries, both toll free and local #s. The local #s for Germany are the very same #s for my Enjoyprepaid service. For example, the rate for Germany to 423 6 is however $1 per minute.

The Riiing phone is not in my possession at this time and I don't want to verify this rate.

Like DRN I suspect low CBW rates to 423 6 #s will soon go the way of the buggy whip; only a matter of time.

I again mention ONESUITE with rates of 23 cents from a local # and 25 for toll free to 423 6 #s. That has already increased ONCE in the past year.

Stan