09 Mobile - Another International Card (!) - Page 2

MATHA531 · 17-11-2005, 10:44

I notice New Zealand is on the orate free roaming list which is conspicuously totally absent from riiing.

So what is it guys...is this a good deal...is this related to UM...are there places to beat the ?34.99 price...I trust you guys completely for the right info.

AndreA · 17-11-2005, 11:00

I suppose that "09 Mobile" is using for the service Siminn, already famous here for the satellite coverage on the greek fleets :P

andy · 17-11-2005, 13:51

It seems to me there are chances it will become available from other suppliers as well - the Isle of Man SIMs have appeared from 3 so far, with product variations.

It may well be Siminn, but I'm wondering what would happen if someone contacted that Viking/Worldcell operation, which obviously has global plans rather than 6 towns in Iceland.

Stu · 17-11-2005, 13:54

I'm probably going to buy this SIM, but I'm still trying to pull some information off their website. I'd like to know what the costs of outgoing calls are beyond Group I. I'd like to know what the price of incoming calls are beyond Group III. I'd like to know expiratation dates, etc. Does the service have voicemail? Does it work better than Riings? Who else offers it.

What doesn't make sense to me is that they purport to offer free incoming calls in countries where incoming calls are not generally free, (e.g. Mexico and Kuwait), but charges for some countries where incoming calls are free (e.g. Tanzania and Kenya). I thought for a minute about whether they subsidize the costs of incoming calls in really cheap countries, but Hong Kong should make that list in a heart beat.

Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to get the UAE. My wife's biggest clients are there and I go there all the time.

Orate's website doesn't give enough information. I think we might need to make an informal Wiki to 09.

To Effendi and AndreA. I've build a Excel Spreadsheet comparing country by country Riiing and Hop. I'm thinking of updating this to include 09 as well. If we do this, I do this, do you think we can put it into some country searchable database. With Riiing and 09 I'm rethinking when I buy a prepaid in a country. It used to be that I would buy a prepaid if I was there more than two days. It has been drifting upward quickly. Between Skype and Riiing, I've skipped many countries. My wife worked for two weeks in Turkey and just used Riiing.

Stu

Stu · 17-11-2005, 13:58

I'd be real curious about multiple vendors. My wife is transferring to Dubai in April of 06. I'm going to be in the UAE three quarter time. Her office is in Knowledge Village (next to Internet City). Think how many of those SIMs I could resell there.

In response to Andy's post, I found this link:

http://www.worldcell.com/web/page/1067/sec...5/solutions.asp

andy · 17-11-2005, 15:00

Maybe the 09 brand does go a bit deeper. I only just noticed the short code speed dials I hadn't seen before - 090, 091, 092, 093,** and the alternate CS number for calling from a landlline +354 585 0909. So is that a landline or mobile? How to look up Iceland's area codes?

** another idea borrowed from UM

edit 2 - according to my bill for speaking to them just now, it's a landline number

MATHA531 · 17-11-2005, 15:09

I do agree that riiing has changed what I do when touring too...two years ago I did a tour through Scandanavia with 3 or 4 day stops in Norway, Sweden and Denmark and didn't both with local sims. I relied on my T Mobile US roaming with its obnoxeous 99?/minute rounded up for both making and receiving calls and while I didn't get all that many calls nor make all that many calls, judt didn't feel it worth the time to start fooling with Swedish, Norwegian and Danish prepaids.

Riiing has been very very good to me. I think I related my trip through Eastern Europe this past June where it functioned flawlessly in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Austria. Incoming calls were all as clear as a mobile can be and using callbackworld and enlinea I had no difficulty with the outgoing calls. Foolishly I set up my voicemail from riiing using riiing and so the ?15 was reduced to ?12 and change but since then have sent one sms to keep the account active within the 9 month restriction but for the rest callbackworld and enlinea for outgoing.

Now there were admited problems with cbw and enlinea in July but my latest experience with cbw and enlinea was in August in the UK where it functioned almost perfectly.

That being said, I am always on the lookout for other cards and if this card include Mexico, so much the better although of course I won't get the US 12? rate on enlinea for the Liechtenstein mobile.

Incidentally, recently the riiing voicemail system is no longer giving the annoucement in German and English that the subscriber is not available if the phone is off. Calls seem to be going right into riiing voicemail with the phone off as I know somebody on this board had complained bitterly about that and considered riiing voice mail unusable...this seems to be working okay.

My next European tour is in January to Germany (have a local sim), Italy (no local sim), Switzerland (no local sim), Paris (Orange FR yes) and finally to London (several local sims)....will be in London for a week visiting friends at the end and I do prefer the British local sims (thanks to Andy for giving me suggestions to undercut even riiing and cbw for outgoing) so we'll see.

But I have this technology sickness too that likes to collect sims and be able to have all sorts of phone numbers..itis a sickness I know but what the heck....

andy · 17-11-2005, 15:29

another seller on eBay (in Oxford; Orate in Ipswich)

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Interactive-Phone...storeviewQQtZkm

same firm on eBay Ireland

that's all the Google results for > "09 mobile" roaming sim < at the moment; I can remember when Riiing was nearly that rare - PPGSM doesn't show yet, but this will be in there soon

andy · 17-11-2005, 16:41

ok, I take back my speculation - it is called 09 Mobile

it's been going about 2 months - the man I spoke to hadn't heard of Riiing/UM - he agreed the tariffs look remarkably similar - I said I suspected the people setting up his company might have seen Riiing

hmmmm, something very odd about Google then - why couldn't it find the company's own website - maybe it can't be arsed with domains in .is

http://www.09.is/here.php

I hope it will answer most of Stu's (and other) questions ...

I'll have a browse now and may ring them again later if anything needs clarification

the life of the card might be tricky for some - it needs topping up ... or does it?

Quote:

The user is solely responsible for recharging the card in good time unless otherwise has been agreed to with 09. If the card is not recharged with the minimum amount of?? ? 25.- within 9 months period, or the service used within that time frame, or if the card is being misused, the card will become invalid and any credit possibly remaining will be forfeited

I think we need a semantic or logic expert ... 'not or or', not 'not and' ...

the FAQ says -

Quote:

Does the 09 SIM Card expires?
If you do not use it or recharge it within any period of 9 months it will expire together with possible call value left on it. To avoid this you can recharge or place a call.

MATHA531 · 18-11-2005, 22:41

The O9 web site has an order form...but it asks for your O9 number which you don't have nor does it have a price listed before asking for credit card details. Did anybody sign up with them on that site...I wonder if it is cheaper than the ?35 listed at the site Andy first suggested.......

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	17-11-2005, 10:44 I notice New Zealand is on the orate free roaming list which is conspicuously totally absent from riiing. So what is it guys...is this a good deal...is this related to UM...are there places to beat the ?34.99 price...I trust you guys completely for the right info.

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AndreA (Offline) Administrator Prepaid Genius Posts: 1,650 Join Date: 13 Jan 2004 Location: Florence, Italy Country:	17-11-2005, 11:00 I suppose that "09 Mobile" is using for the service Siminn, already famous here for the satellite coverage on the greek fleets :P ANTPEAΣ AΠO THN ΦΛΩPENTIA My Phones: iPhone 2G, E65, N70, P910 DVB-H, A835, 6630, 7600, 6210, S55, T39 "Working" PrePaids: IT: Wind, H3G, Vodafone, Tim, CoopVoce, Poste Mobile, Telepass Mobile, Uno Mobile - CH: OrangeClick - RSM: Prima Easy - UK: O2, H3G - INT: United Mobile, TravelSim, ICQ SIM "Deceased" PrePaids: IT: Blu - AT: H3G - FR: Itineris - ES: Yoigo - GR: Cosmote, Frog - HR: Tele2 - UK: Virgin, Orange TO: UCall - NZ: Vodafone - IN: Hutch - CAN: Fido - USA: T-Mobile - INT: Travelfone, CallKey, Globalsim, HopMobile, GT, 09, Mobal, Yackiemobile ITALIAN TLC BLOG

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	17-11-2005, 13:51 It seems to me there are chances it will become available from other suppliers as well - the Isle of Man SIMs have appeared from 3 so far, with product variations. It may well be Siminn, but I'm wondering what would happen if someone contacted that Viking/Worldcell operation, which obviously has global plans rather than 6 towns in Iceland.

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	17-11-2005, 13:54 I'm probably going to buy this SIM, but I'm still trying to pull some information off their website. I'd like to know what the costs of outgoing calls are beyond Group I. I'd like to know what the price of incoming calls are beyond Group III. I'd like to know expiratation dates, etc. Does the service have voicemail? Does it work better than Riings? Who else offers it. What doesn't make sense to me is that they purport to offer free incoming calls in countries where incoming calls are not generally free, (e.g. Mexico and Kuwait), but charges for some countries where incoming calls are free (e.g. Tanzania and Kenya). I thought for a minute about whether they subsidize the costs of incoming calls in really cheap countries, but Hong Kong should make that list in a heart beat. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to get the UAE. My wife's biggest clients are there and I go there all the time. Orate's website doesn't give enough information. I think we might need to make an informal Wiki to 09. To Effendi and AndreA. I've build a Excel Spreadsheet comparing country by country Riiing and Hop. I'm thinking of updating this to include 09 as well. If we do this, I do this, do you think we can put it into some country searchable database. With Riiing and 09 I'm rethinking when I buy a prepaid in a country. It used to be that I would buy a prepaid if I was there more than two days. It has been drifting upward quickly. Between Skype and Riiing, I've skipped many countries. My wife worked for two weeks in Turkey and just used Riiing. Stu

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Stu (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Guru Posts: 1,091 Join Date: 11 Feb 2004 Location: Detroit (formerly Dubai) Country:	17-11-2005, 13:58 I'd be real curious about multiple vendors. My wife is transferring to Dubai in April of 06. I'm going to be in the UAE three quarter time. Her office is in Knowledge Village (next to Internet City). Think how many of those SIMs I could resell there. In response to Andy's post, I found this link: http://www.worldcell.com/web/page/1067/sec...5/solutions.asp

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	17-11-2005, 15:00 Maybe the 09 brand does go a bit deeper. I only just noticed the short code speed dials I hadn't seen before - 090, 091, 092, 093, and the alternate CS number for calling from a landlline +354 585 0909. So is that a landline or mobile? How to look up Iceland's area codes? another idea borrowed from UM edit 2 - according to my bill for speaking to them just now, it's a landline number

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	17-11-2005, 15:09 I do agree that riiing has changed what I do when touring too...two years ago I did a tour through Scandanavia with 3 or 4 day stops in Norway, Sweden and Denmark and didn't both with local sims. I relied on my T Mobile US roaming with its obnoxeous 99?/minute rounded up for both making and receiving calls and while I didn't get all that many calls nor make all that many calls, judt didn't feel it worth the time to start fooling with Swedish, Norwegian and Danish prepaids. Riiing has been very very good to me. I think I related my trip through Eastern Europe this past June where it functioned flawlessly in Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Austria. Incoming calls were all as clear as a mobile can be and using callbackworld and enlinea I had no difficulty with the outgoing calls. Foolishly I set up my voicemail from riiing using riiing and so the ?15 was reduced to ?12 and change but since then have sent one sms to keep the account active within the 9 month restriction but for the rest callbackworld and enlinea for outgoing. Now there were admited problems with cbw and enlinea in July but my latest experience with cbw and enlinea was in August in the UK where it functioned almost perfectly. That being said, I am always on the lookout for other cards and if this card include Mexico, so much the better although of course I won't get the US 12? rate on enlinea for the Liechtenstein mobile. Incidentally, recently the riiing voicemail system is no longer giving the annoucement in German and English that the subscriber is not available if the phone is off. Calls seem to be going right into riiing voicemail with the phone off as I know somebody on this board had complained bitterly about that and considered riiing voice mail unusable...this seems to be working okay. My next European tour is in January to Germany (have a local sim), Italy (no local sim), Switzerland (no local sim), Paris (Orange FR yes) and finally to London (several local sims)....will be in London for a week visiting friends at the end and I do prefer the British local sims (thanks to Andy for giving me suggestions to undercut even riiing and cbw for outgoing) so we'll see. But I have this technology sickness too that likes to collect sims and be able to have all sorts of phone numbers..itis a sickness I know but what the heck....

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andy (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Prophet Posts: 2,128 Join Date: 10 Dec 2004 Country:	17-11-2005, 15:29 another seller on eBay (in Oxford; Orate in Ipswich) http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Interactive-Phone...storeviewQQtZkm same firm on eBay Ireland that's all the Google results for > "09 mobile" roaming sim < at the moment; I can remember when Riiing was nearly that rare - PPGSM doesn't show yet, but this will be in there soon

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MATHA531 (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Specialist Posts: 869 Join Date: 15 Oct 2004 Country:	18-11-2005, 22:41 The O9 web site has an order form...but it asks for your O9 number which you don't have nor does it have a price listed before asking for credit card details. Did anybody sign up with them on that site...I wonder if it is cheaper than the ?35 listed at the site Andy first suggested.......