No EU roaming fees - no roaming (anymore)

Schlips1 · **No EU roaming fees - no roaming (anymore) -** 19-06-2017, 19:57

Hello,

the no-roaming-fee-decision got some bad sideeffects.

Exemple Sweden:

- Tele 2 / Comviq: Prepaid roaming is only possible with an "EU roaming add on" - you have to pay for it, can`t use your credit
- 3 : No prepaid roaming anymore (not even in other 3 countries)
- Telia: Roaming only after registering your prepaid card - will be interesting, if this is possible w/o a swedish id

Other networks like Telenor Dk or Telia Fi do not offer prepaid roaming at all. Is this the goal of the EU regulations??

peterdoo · 19-06-2017, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlips1

Hello,

the no-roaming-fee-decision got some bad sideeffects.

Exemple Sweden:

- Tele 2 / Comviq: Prepaid roaming is only possible with an "EU roaming add on" - you have to pay for it, can`t use your credit
- 3 : No prepaid roaming anymore (not even in other 3 countries)
- Telia: Roaming only after registering your prepaid card - will be interesting, if this is possible w/o a swedish id

Other networks like Telenor Dk or Telia Fi do not offer prepaid roaming at all. Is this the goal of the EU regulations??

The goal is to offer free EU roaming to inhabitants of Sweden just like Telia does it. An address in Sweden or work contract or university inscription should normally be accepted.

EU is not trying to achieve that people should be able to use free roaming of any country where they do not reside.

EU roaming add-on is not allowed by the EU regulation. Only separate tariffs (with and without roaming) without the possibility to switch easy between them are allowed.

Tariffs without roaming are bad side effect. The customers will decide whether they will be successfull or not.

rfranzq · **No EU roaming fees===== no roaming (anymore) -** 19-06-2017, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlips1

Hello,

the no-roaming-fee-decision got some bad side effects.

So suddenly, THIS website and International Roaming SIMs become super relevant again.

Why did we not see this coming?

davegr · 19-06-2017, 23:18

Lyca Mobile (UK) are stating that you don't get to use bundles while roaming and also that incoming calls are subject to a 200 minute per month FUP.

Details here: http://www.lycamobile.co.uk/en/eu-ro...bf38c4d06a516b

I suspect they will only be one of many networks who try to sidestep the rules. The roaming regulations are very simple to understand, so any attempt to sidestep them should be dealt with by way of extremely heavy fines, in my opinion.

wolfbln · 23-06-2017, 22:27

Hi. I'm watching the implementation of Roam like at home very closely as I had to amend more than 100 operators in 28+3 countries for the prepaid data wiki.

Now most countries are up to date and for prepaid users it's so far a success story. Only few countries are opting out. They got a derogation from their regulator: the Baltic States, Denmark, partly Finland.

The operators in more expensive countries were afraid to be overrun by the cheap plans from the East or North, but this hasn't materialized so far. Most providers apply a very rigid "FUP" in the cheaper countries.

The best thing: rates have come down considerably. Those providers using a FUP are at around €4.50/GB and even the "misuse rate" is only around €9.30/GB (variable by different local VAT taxes). These are rates we have dreamed of, but they are more or less in line with domestic rates in the more expensive countries in Europe.

It's true: some providers stopped offering roaming, some built in new hurdles, others give out only around 10% of their packages at domestic rates like in Poland (and still call it RLaH). So it's now essential to check every provider for their policy. Lycamobile is the internationally most known to (partly) disobey the new rules in a dozen countries. While they give out roaming at the same default rate like each domestic rate, they don't allow allowances to be used from their domestic bundles and packages.

I try to keep all EU/EEA countries updated in the prepaid Wiki with a focus on roaming. I guess users are still interested as long as this picture is so scattered. For instance, we still don't know much about the FUP against permanent roaming and how stringent it will be applied.

On this site I give a survey about what we have learned so far:
prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/European_Union
For each operator in the EU/EEA please check every country site. To most operators have been added a paragraph about roaming now.
Yesterday, I dared to give first advice what a roamer in Europe is supposed to do now in the yellow box.

And please add your experience to the comments there. And when you've found the new roaming "queen" SIM card, let me know

I have already some national offers in my mind giving out lots of allowances without restrictions to EU roaming for a new recommendation list, but to check them will take some time. Much to my surprise, they don't come from usually "cheap" countries. As I like EU/EEA roaming to be a success, I don't like to give advice how to bypass rules at the moment. When the new regulations have been established and proven to be working, it may be different later. Then we may add a new list of recommended SIM cards for EU roaming again.

rfranzq · **Thanks for your efforts. -** 24-06-2017, 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfbln

Hi. I'm watching the implementation of Roam like at home very closely as I had to amend more than 100 operators in 28+3 countries for the prepaid data wiki.

Thank you for your efforts.

davidtheprof · 01-07-2017, 22:16

two European trips coming up, and was hoping to use my UK Orange PAYG Simcard - but checking the rates, 40p (over 50c) a minute to call within EU! (though free to receive now) So TMo USA plan is cheaper, 20c/min in or outbound.

Schlips1 · **Other way -** 05-08-2017, 22:08

Just figured out:

SFR: Calling and texting like in France, Data disactivated (!):
"Les connexions internet ne sont pas possibles depuis l`étranger."

wolfbln · 06-08-2017, 12:45

That's exactly why I took the effort to check every single European operator. There are some:
- where roaming is blocked
- where surcharges have been granted by the regulator
- where you need a special registration for roaming
- where you are technically downgraded (only 3G for instance)
- where a volume FUP is applied (only part of a package is given out at the domestic rate)
- where a time FUP may be applied (against pernanent roaming. This is still in the balance, as the regulation is only enforced for 2 months now).

That's why I can only advise to check the Data Wiki before when you want to buy a SIM card and use it in another EU country. We are now very up to date when it comes to EU roaming restrictions in all EU/EEA countries.
Of course, we are still waiting for feedback about the time restrictions, but they will kick in after at least 4 months of permanent roaming. So there is no experience about that yet.

For your SFR La Carte in France it states for example: EU roaming
Note that you can only roam for voice and SMS on a SFR La Carte at domestic rates abroad. All international data roaming is now disabled for SFR prepaid customers.

Other restrictions apply to other operators in France too. There is hardly one country where "roam like at home" applies without any restrictions or FUPs to all operators. Nevertheless, it has been adopted by most of them. EU roaming charges plummeted (from €10 per GB to around €3-6/GB) while roaming traffic has surged this summer.

After all, it can be seen as a success, but the situation has not become much clearer as hoped by many as every provider still goes its own way within the regulation and some still outside.

Schlips1 · 07-08-2017, 21:34

I tried to read

http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.c...European_Union

but I failed. An example: I found 18 times FUP - but what does it means? Fair Use Policy?

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Schlips1 (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 64 Join Date: 20 Sep 2009 Country:	No EU roaming fees - no roaming (anymore) - 19-06-2017, 19:57 Hello, the no-roaming-fee-decision got some bad sideeffects. Exemple Sweden: - Tele 2 / Comviq: Prepaid roaming is only possible with an "EU roaming add on" - you have to pay for it, can`t use your credit - 3 : No prepaid roaming anymore (not even in other 3 countries) - Telia: Roaming only after registering your prepaid card - will be interesting, if this is possible w/o a swedish id Other networks like Telenor Dk or Telia Fi do not offer prepaid roaming at all. Is this the goal of the EU regulations??

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davegr (Offline) Junior Member Newbie Posts: 6 Join Date: 01 Mar 2015 Country:	19-06-2017, 23:18 Lyca Mobile (UK) are stating that you don't get to use bundles while roaming and also that incoming calls are subject to a 200 minute per month FUP. Details here: http://www.lycamobile.co.uk/en/eu-ro...bf38c4d06a516b I suspect they will only be one of many networks who try to sidestep the rules. The roaming regulations are very simple to understand, so any attempt to sidestep them should be dealt with by way of extremely heavy fines, in my opinion.

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wolfbln (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 206 Join Date: 14 Jul 2014 Country:	23-06-2017, 22:27 Hi. I'm watching the implementation of Roam like at home very closely as I had to amend more than 100 operators in 28+3 countries for the prepaid data wiki. Now most countries are up to date and for prepaid users it's so far a success story. Only few countries are opting out. They got a derogation from their regulator: the Baltic States, Denmark, partly Finland. The operators in more expensive countries were afraid to be overrun by the cheap plans from the East or North, but this hasn't materialized so far. Most providers apply a very rigid "FUP" in the cheaper countries. The best thing: rates have come down considerably. Those providers using a FUP are at around €4.50/GB and even the "misuse rate" is only around €9.30/GB (variable by different local VAT taxes). These are rates we have dreamed of, but they are more or less in line with domestic rates in the more expensive countries in Europe. It's true: some providers stopped offering roaming, some built in new hurdles, others give out only around 10% of their packages at domestic rates like in Poland (and still call it RLaH). So it's now essential to check every provider for their policy. Lycamobile is the internationally most known to (partly) disobey the new rules in a dozen countries. While they give out roaming at the same default rate like each domestic rate, they don't allow allowances to be used from their domestic bundles and packages. I try to keep all EU/EEA countries updated in the prepaid Wiki with a focus on roaming. I guess users are still interested as long as this picture is so scattered. For instance, we still don't know much about the FUP against permanent roaming and how stringent it will be applied. On this site I give a survey about what we have learned so far: prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/European_Union For each operator in the EU/EEA please check every country site. To most operators have been added a paragraph about roaming now. Yesterday, I dared to give first advice what a roamer in Europe is supposed to do now in the yellow box. And please add your experience to the comments there. And when you've found the new roaming "queen" SIM card, let me know I have already some national offers in my mind giving out lots of allowances without restrictions to EU roaming for a new recommendation list, but to check them will take some time. Much to my surprise, they don't come from usually "cheap" countries. As I like EU/EEA roaming to be a success, I don't like to give advice how to bypass rules at the moment. When the new regulations have been established and proven to be working, it may be different later. Then we may add a new list of recommended SIM cards for EU roaming again. Last edited by wolfbln; 23-06-2017 at 22:54..

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davidtheprof (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Fan Posts: 159 Join Date: 05 Jun 2011 Country:	01-07-2017, 22:16 two European trips coming up, and was hoping to use my UK Orange PAYG Simcard - but checking the rates, 40p (over 50c) a minute to call within EU! (though free to receive now) So TMo USA plan is cheaper, 20c/min in or outbound.

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Schlips1 (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 64 Join Date: 20 Sep 2009 Country:	Other way - 05-08-2017, 22:08 Just figured out: SFR: Calling and texting like in France, Data disactivated (!): "Les connexions internet ne sont pas possibles depuis l`étranger."

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wolfbln (Offline) Senior Member Prepaid Expert Posts: 206 Join Date: 14 Jul 2014 Country:	06-08-2017, 12:45 That's exactly why I took the effort to check every single European operator. There are some: - where roaming is blocked - where surcharges have been granted by the regulator - where you need a special registration for roaming - where you are technically downgraded (only 3G for instance) - where a volume FUP is applied (only part of a package is given out at the domestic rate) - where a time FUP may be applied (against pernanent roaming. This is still in the balance, as the regulation is only enforced for 2 months now). That's why I can only advise to check the Data Wiki before when you want to buy a SIM card and use it in another EU country. We are now very up to date when it comes to EU roaming restrictions in all EU/EEA countries. Of course, we are still waiting for feedback about the time restrictions, but they will kick in after at least 4 months of permanent roaming. So there is no experience about that yet. For your SFR La Carte in France it states for example: EU roaming Note that you can only roam for voice and SMS on a SFR La Carte at domestic rates abroad. All international data roaming is now disabled for SFR prepaid customers. Other restrictions apply to other operators in France too. There is hardly one country where "roam like at home" applies without any restrictions or FUPs to all operators. Nevertheless, it has been adopted by most of them. EU roaming charges plummeted (from €10 per GB to around €3-6/GB) while roaming traffic has surged this summer. After all, it can be seen as a success, but the situation has not become much clearer as hoped by many as every provider still goes its own way within the regulation and some still outside. Last edited by wolfbln; 06-08-2017 at 12:51..

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Schlips1 (Offline) Member Advanced Member Posts: 64 Join Date: 20 Sep 2009 Country:	07-08-2017, 21:34 I tried to read http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.c...European_Union but I failed. An example: I found 18 times FUP - but what does it means? Fair Use Policy?